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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/08 00:32
HEY!!!!!! It took my picture!   I'd been clicking on the big icon to try to do it, and that gave me the box that rolled forever. But I just found another link in the profile thingy and that one worked. Sometimes I am such an idiot. *sigh* So maybe now when I can get to my sister's, I can upload some songs. There's no way I can do it from here, on a 42k dialup connection.
But at least my page now has my ugly pic on it. For what it's worth, here's mine: http://alonetone.com/kaistarr
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/08 01:05
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I feel pretty crappy about myself, as it is, without being a problem to everyone, on top of it. 
It's really odd that it's not working out for you...  You'd be such a great addition to our merry band. Let me know if I can help in any way. Maybe send me some mp3s and I'll upload them for you?
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/08 06:38
Hey Kaichi,
we are here to help you! If you can put the MP3s on one of the sites you already have to download. One of us, myself included, will be happy to download them and then load them onto Alonetone for you. Just ask. You're RPM family Dude!!
Oz
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/08 12:13
Thanks, y'all! I'm going to try to do some of them from my sister's, this weekend, and if I can't manage it, I may take one of you up on the offer. My friend, Bikerider, uploaded my stuff to last.fm, but I can't help feeling bad about putting people out for such things. I know it's silly, but it's just how I am.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/08 16:38
I just set up an account even though I don't have anything new to put on it, and I have everything I've (sort of) finished in the last year+ on virb already. I still can't get the profile photo to work though.
addendum... isn't it great what you can accomplish when you go to the help function? Photo uploaded.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/08 16:49
robertjames1971 wrote:
I just set up an account even though I don't have anything new to put on it, and I have everything I've (sort of) finished in the last year+ on virb already.
Found you. Your stuff rocks! Keep us posted if you upload any more.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/09 02:12
robertjames1971 wrote:
I just set up an account even though I don't have anything new to put on it, and I have everything I've (sort of) finished in the last year+ on virb already. I still can't get the profile photo to work though.
addendum... isn't it great what you can accomplish when you go to the help function? Photo uploaded.<br><br>Post edited by: robertjames1971, at: 2008/08/08 16:43
Dang. I missed my opportunity to be helpful, as I had to search to find out how to do that very same thing. 
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/15 18:00
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If you're offering free downloads, try taking them off and see what happens!
I've got 3 listens on last.fm now! Someone listened to me last week!
Only another 19,997 plays to go before I start claiming royalties...
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/15 21:59
Be patient with last.fm. I had the odd play here and there for a while until I had enough plays where they could compute some "similar artists". My plays are beginning to skyrocket now.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/16 01:58
4 plays now! Woo har!
1429 at alonetone, but that's not the point...
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/16 06:13
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4 plays now! Woo har!
1429 at alonetone, but that's not the point...
Ok, I give Colin, what is the point? I really don't see why you're songs are not listened too on FM, they are friggin fantastic. Ok, I listened on alonetone.
But for me the point is to be listened to. Otherwise they are just songs in a book somewhere or on a CD gathering dust. A song is only truly alive when it is being either played (live) or being heard. Heres to more Plays!!! (raises a beer )
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/16 09:48
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A song is only truly alive when it is being either played (live) or being heard.
Ah but don't you just love making music? - If there was nobody else in the world, wouldn't you still do it?
Tess
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/16 17:04
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Ah but don't you just love making music? - If there was nobody else in the world, wouldn't you still do it?
Tess
Yes Tess, I still would. Most of the time I am my own audience. Ultimately I think we all make music for ourselves we just hope that someone else likes it too.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/16 17:39
That is true, yes. We all love playing music, whether people are hearing it or not. But to put that much work into something only to have it ignored?
Rather soul-destroying.
Sometimes I'll sit in my front room and just play my songs for my own amusement and that's fine, but I want people to hear my music. I want to feel that I'm pleasing more people than just myself when I play it. That's the main reason I put my stuff out for free, even though I haven't got two pennies to rub together; also I always carry a couple of copies of my CD around with me and I'll just hand them out to random people I meet (usually after a pint or three in the pub). Most of them probably never even listen to it, and no doubt a few will listen to a track or two and go "urgh, I don't like this", but I've had a couple of very positive responses as a result of doing this. Funnily enough, it doesn't bother me at all if some people hate it - you can't please everyone - in fact if no-one hated my music I'd feel I wasn't making enough of an impression...
sister_savage wrote:
If there was nobody else in the world, wouldn't you still do it?
Of course. But doesn't it give you a warm glow when you see that others (including me) are getting a lot of pleasure listening to what you have made?
ps Thanks Oz. Means a lot to me.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/16 19:25
*nods* Point taken.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/16 19:33
You're welcome Colin. It's great to talk about this with friends even if ya'll are an ocean away! I would rather write and play music than anything else (even it is just to myself , sometimes).
To those that listen, I thank you
Oz
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/16 19:44
ColinGarvey wrote:
...I put my stuff out for free, even though I haven't got two pennies to rub together; also I always carry a couple of copies of my CD around with me and I'll just hand them out to random people I meet (usually after a pint or three in the pub).
This is something I came to realize this year. I typical have anti-social hermit tendencies, but its the energy that you get back from sharing that is food for the soul. Can't get anything if you keep it all to yourself. As has been mentioned, people reactions will always vary, some good some bad. But the fact that people react indicates we've made an impression. Not ignore, not indifferent, but some type of impact. Relevent. For me, that sparks the need to continue. I made music for years on my own before the RPM thingy. It was stale. I began to share, get feedback, a few nods, some hate mail, new directions, etc. I started making music I never would have thought about on my own.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/17 07:22
FM has been a totally unproductive nap.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/18 05:34
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bkoz wrote:
A song is only truly alive when it is being either played (live) or being heard.
Ah but don't you just love making music? - If there was nobody else in the world, wouldn't you still do it?
Tess
Howdy All,
Been the usual chaotic summer, though more so this year. I drop by here from time to time to check in and to even post, and this question got me thinking. After a bit of pondering, here is what I think. (since I know you were ALL dying to know what I think.)
If I was the last person on earth, I would still probably make music to accompany myself. I am going to assume for sake of discussion that for some reason the lights still work, electricity is flowing and I have an endless supply of oil to heat the place in the winter. (And I can get gas for my car so I can occasionally raid the music stores for strings and even a new guitar or two) Gas is cheaper when I am the last guy on earth too, since this is my fantasy and I can have it any way I want it. Oh yeah, food is plentiful too, as is my supply of Lagavulin. (the 21 year version, not just the 16)
Anyway back to the point: Yes, I would still make music, I would still record, I would still come up with new songs. Aside from the fact I would need to do it to keep from going insane, I would do it because I like doing it. I like making new records from time to time. I enjoy the rush of excitement that I get when I am working on a new batch of songs. HOWEVER, one thing would be missing...
I don't think I would be as diligent in finishing and polishing my work. I am hard-wired to seek approval for what I do. I know myself well enough to admit that. When I am working on new songs, there is a part of me that wants to impress you with the 'leaps and bounds' I have made, the new fascinating direction I took, the sheer inventiveness of what I did. Those are my hopes anyway; I am honest enough with myself to know that idea and execution are two separate and distinct things. So, I want to top myself, and I want people to hear and acknowledge that (assuming I actually do top myself). Why do I do this? Because I do, it's just me. How do I do that now? By listening over and over and tweaking and rewriting and adding layers and screwing around and experimenting and anything else I can think of to spice up what I have done.
Without someone else to play it to, or to stumble upon it, I wouldn't have that incentive to polish and finish stuff. (At least not consistently anyway) Over time, I can't say for sure that I would continue to do what I do now. Without an audience I might eventually stop doing it, except for the playing part. I think it's because I am at least in part an entertainer, one who happens to have gravitated to music since I am also somewhat creative.
So, there you go. I don't think there is much else I can say.
Cheers,
Gary
PS: BKOZ, when you say a song is only alive when be played live or being heard, can I assume you mean for others and not alone in the confines of your room? If I assume correctly, then I would say you have even more of an entertainer's drive than I do. I would say a song is alive from the moment it gives it's writer that sense of "Oh! Got something here..."
Interesting thought you have there.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/18 05:55
This is a prevailing dilemma for all artists, and perhaps all people who create (including people who write strategic business plans, who develop new processes, who pioneer surgical procedures, etc.): How much weight do you put on the reception of your work?
To some, the reaction is everything. To others, once it has left their hands, they do not care what happens.
The former are slaves to the public result. If you let how an audience reacts to your art control your art, you are working for them. If you live for the reaction to a performance, that is a type of energy that is completely unique unto itself.
The latter get their joy from the creation and not the result. If no one ever heard it, it wouldn't matter. If people love it, or hate it, they are ambivalent. Some artists or creators never release their work to the public at all.... is their work less valid in any way?
There are pros and cons to any situation... and of course we all want to have people love what we do. The trick is, if you choose to master it, to be happy in what you do, be pleasantly surprised when people love what you do, and take criticism for what it's worth when they hate it. Remember that the people who like what you do really like it because YOU are the one who does it.
No matter what your proclivities may be, the thing to remember is that you are doing what YOU do, and you have to be comfortable with that fact. You can't be anyone else. No amount of listens on any website really matters.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/18 06:05
But Joshua,
What is your answer to the question?
Cheers,
Gary
PS- No amount of listens on any website really matters...to you.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/18 15:34
Joshua Wentz wrote:
To some, the reaction is everything. To others, once it has left their hands, they do not care what happens.
I've enjoyed following this thread and I'm in the "don't care" camp. Of course, it would be nice if everyone enjoyed my stuff, but I've been recording songs for 20+ years now and have only recently started letting others hear it, beyond a few close musician friends. While the technology's certainly improved from my days back with a boom box or later a Tascam 4-track machine, I realized a while back that I'm more excited about the act of creation and the engineering aspect -- the performing part is fun too, but never drove me as much.
I enjoy the recording process as much as the song-writing part; learning new tricks whether they are chord changes or mixing techniques is really what keeps me at this. When I get an idea, I'll futz with the song structure, lyrics and mix for a few intense weeks, then enjoy listening to the results. With the internet I can now allow others to hear what I've done, but honestly I'm my biggest fan (and critic). So pretty quickly I get sick of that newest song, move on to another and start the process again.
It's a hobby that keeps me sane. Maybe I'm getting better at it -- I hope so, but will I write the ultimate tune or mix something comparable to Dark Side of the Moon? No, but it's still fun for me. So I don't pay much attention to listener counts or web site hits or whatever.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/18 17:48
Gary Fox wrote:
No amount of listens on any website really matters...to you.
And thank goodness it doesn't, or I'd be wringing my hands daily waiting for digits on some website to change. I don't have time for that BS, I have creative things to do.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/18 18:53
Joshua Wentz wrote:
Gary Fox wrote:
No amount of listens on any website really matters...to you.
And thank goodness it doesn't, or I'd be wringing my hands daily waiting for digits on some website to change. I don't have time for that BS, I have creative things to do.
Hey Joshua,
Sounds like you're putting me down, but I know that's not your intention.
The implication of your statement is that people who care about other people's opinions are paralyzed without them. Or that wanting for others to hear what you're doing and expanding the audience for it is somehow getting in the way of truly creative endeavors. That implication, whether intended or not, is simply not true.
Motivation comes from many sources, other people being one of them. Some of the best artists were driven to create by their infatuation with another person. I enjoy knowing that a song I wrote touched someone, that they listen to it constantly and it makes their day better. When this happens, it inspires me to write even more. If a song doesn't grab someone at all, then I write another one. I also write just for myself and I still love everything I have done, whether someone else loves it or not. I have been writing songs for 21 years now, and trust me, if I was as your comments have painted me, I would have stopped after a few months of it. I don't think about whether people will like something or not while I am writing it, if that's what you are thinking. But I am honest about the fact that the approval of others is something I enjoy and will accept and even seek out once I have completely finished something. And that I work harder to make things sound polished and better than my last work because I will be playing it to the general public. It's a best foot forward sort of thing, I suppose.
What works or doesn't work for someone is simply how they are wired. At the end of the day, the motivation, the artist's mindset, their preferences (whether known or not) are part and parcel of the artist, and what make them and their creations unique. There are many ways to get to a great piece of art, all of them valid, even though most artists have their own prefered path (and think the other ways would never work for them.) So be it.
After all this, I still love you baby! Cumbaya and group hugs all around.
Regards,
Gary
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/18 22:38
Gary Fox wrote:
I enjoy knowing that a song I wrote touched someone, that they listen to it constantly and it makes their day better.
"You know if you squeeze too tight baby, holding on can be tough." 
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/19 00:19
GARY: The implication of your statement is that people who care about other people's opinions are paralyzed without them. Or that wanting for others to hear what you're doing and expanding the audience for it is somehow getting in the way of truly creative endeavors. That implication, whether intended or not, is simply not true.
That's exactly what I said in my post previous:
JW: The former [creators who do it for the reaction] are slaves to the public result. If you let how an audience reacts to your art control your art, you are working for them. If you live for the reaction to a performance, that is a type of energy that is completely unique unto itself.
While the term "slaves" might seem negatively harsh, don't look at it that way. People who create for the reaction of crowds are lucky if they get a devoted fan base, but I've never encountered a single such group that isn't fickle as a breeze. We've all seen a band get trounced for trying something different... be they as esteemed as U2 or as lowly as the local big fish.
For an artist that craves positive reaction, these are minor disasters. U2 went "back to their roots" after "Pop", possibly to appease their public. Crash Test Dummies put out an amazing album, "Give Yourself A Hand", that got a massive negative reaction from their base who of course wanted more of the same. U2 had no problem weathering their storm, but I don't know if I could say the same for CTD. Frankly, their "different" album is the only one I own; I like risk-takers.
For artists that aren't making millions, these mystical "listens" on websites take on unwarranted weight. Even if you like hearing what people have to say about your work (I put myself in that category, I really do like getting a reaction), the moment you find yourself refreshing a site "just to see" if new listens have popped up, you've sacrificed a bit of yourself to the masses.
It's an artists' dilemma, as I said. No side of the equation has a perfectly positive outcome, and that's why all music does not sound the same... people create for many many many different reasons, and no one is less valid than another.
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/20 07:32
sister_savage wrote:
Gary Fox wrote:
I enjoy knowing that a song I wrote touched someone, that they listen to it constantly and it makes their day better.
"You know if you squeeze too tight baby, holding on can be tough."
You say the sweetest things Sister, especially when quoting me...
Seriously, that was very kind...thanks a mucho...
Now, of course you realize that I am already feeling the pressure to write something for you, and it's not even 2009 yet!!!
Cheers,
Gary
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/08/20 10:04
Gary Fox wrote:
Now, of course you realize that I am already feeling the pressure to write something for you, and it's not even 2009 yet!!!
Cheers,
Gary
One song a year for me doesn't sound like much to ask!
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Re:ATTn all RPM 2008 album submittees! - 2008/11/04 20:00
Ok so I finally got all my tracks uploaded to last.fm, despite the dire warngins that it's not worth the hassle. I joined the RPM 2008 group; could I be connected to the group?
My artist page is at:
http://www.last.fm/music/rewind-
(Yes there is a dash at the end, sucks I know)
Thank you!
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